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Arp
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Hi Oz - Hi everybody


My first post here, so: Hello, my name is Arp, I'm from the Netherlands and have visited this site in the past, snooping around for comparison images for 'southern species' that people were inquiring about on Dutch and German fora - Oz invited us over, so now you have to live with it! ;)

Oz: Just noticed an unidentified Ladybird on your [URL=http://www.nature-of-oz.com/Coccinellidae.htm]Coccinellida pagae[/URl]

[img]http://webzoom.freewebs.com/saturnids/MOSHIT2.JPG[/img]

Looks an awfull lot like [URL=http://www.coccinellidae.net/Coccinella-undecimpunctata.html][i]Coccinella undecimpunctata[/i][/URL]


... ah ... I had prepared a collage of [i]Coc.und.[/i] to upload as an attachment or so ... is there a facility for that on-site, or do I need to host images elsewhere?

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Cheers! Arp

January 11, 2009 at 5:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Arp
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Oops rolleyes


Oz: Just noticed an unidentified Ladybird on your < href="http://www.nature-of-oz.com/Coccinellidae.htm" mce_href="http://www.nature-of-oz.com/Coccinellidae.htm">Coccinellida page



Looks an awfull lot like Coccinella undecimpunctata


 

January 11, 2009 at 5:55 PM Flag Quote & Reply

saturnids
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Hi Arp,

Very well might be. I sadly don't have the specimen (it was given to the national collection where it was then lost). I think I will remove it from the site along with few others.

Thanks for the info!

Oz

January 12, 2009 at 12:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Arp
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Hi Oz, is there a checklist of Israeli Coccinellidae somewhere? Or, put differently, are you aware of any lookalikes? The other day someone posted one from Egypt, and it would be good to know if there are other similar looking species in your region.
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Cheers! Arp

January 12, 2009 at 10:41 AM Flag Quote & Reply

saturnids
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Hi Arp,

There is an old check list but I really don't trust it since I know about too many mistakes already. A new list should be composed but for that the national collection should be re-identified and at the moment there is no one in Israel who is expert. Maybe the specimens should be sent abroad. Anyway there are few similarities among local species.

Regards,

Oz

ps - do you know if the guy from Egypt is interested in Coleoptera or photography?

January 12, 2009 at 2:47 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Arp
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Hi Oz, do you have access to the old list? I would be interested to learn a little bit about the occurence of species on Europes borders and have little or no info about that as of yet -even an old/incorrect list would probably be interesting in that respect. The "guy" from Egypt is a she ;o) In this thread she introduced herself - that's all I can help with. You can of course reach her via the WATW site.
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Cheers! Arp

January 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM Flag Quote & Reply

saturnids
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Sure, I will scan it and send it to you by mail.

I read what the woman from Egypt wrote. interesting..

Regards,

Oz

January 12, 2009 at 11:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Arp
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Thanks for the scan offer Oz - excellent :o) Don't feel obliged or anything - and take your time - but thanks!
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Cheers! Arp

January 13, 2009 at 7:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Assaf
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Hi Arp,

If I'm currect Oz will scan for you the list from 1995. (published on Phytoparasitica 23 ) You can also look at this survey http://www.tomas-pavlicek-biologie.net/pages/insects_list_e.php those I'm don't know how reliable is it.

January 13, 2009 at 3:05 PM Flag Quote & Reply

saturnids
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I can sadly say that both list are very problematic, I will send it anyway and try to see if there is any development.that I don't know of.


January 13, 2009 at 3:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Arp
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Thanks for the link Assaf - some interesting stuff there :o) Is it my PC handling special characters badly or does the page show öaut;mnus (=Scymnus?) and Pharoöaut;mnus (=Pharoscymnus?) on your machines as well?? @Oz: Even if the lists are old/bad/incomplete this will already give me some idea of the different species one might expect :o) Thanks!
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Cheers! Arp

January 13, 2009 at 10:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Arp
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P.S. Going by the list Assaf linked I think Coc.und. is a safe bet for the animal in the image - or there would have to be an exact lookalike (that I don't know about) in the species missing from the list ...
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Cheers! Arp

January 13, 2009 at 10:43 PM Flag Quote & Reply

saturnids
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Hi Arp,

Here it is:


January 14, 2009 at 2:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Assaf
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Be aware that not all of them are from Israel. Some are from Egypt ( Sinai ) which is a desert area south to Israel.

January 14, 2009 at 2:36 AM Flag Quote & Reply

saturnids
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Indeed. Although Sinai species may also occur here without being discovered yet, as happened lately with a Glaphyridae sp and Tenebrionidae. As for now there are no evidence for these species here but on the other hand no systematic collecting had been taken

place in south Israel yet.

January 14, 2009 at 3:49 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Arp
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Thanks Guys, There are certainly some interesting species on there that I have little or no idea about - good starting point for further *cough*"research" - let's see what I can dig up ;o) Thanks a bunch!
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Cheers! Arp

January 14, 2009 at 1:26 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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